Voices of Compassion Podcast
Voices of Compassion Podcast

Season 2 - Episode 17 | January 13, 2022

A Parent’s Journey: A Child Who is Twice Exceptional

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Show Notes

Parenting is never easy, but raising a child with exceptional talents who also struggles with learning differences (such as autism, ADHD or dyslexia) is even more complex. This combination of giftedness and challenges — known as twice exceptional (2e) — creates a confusing picture for parents and educators. It can be difficult to see the signs of 2e because it looks different in every child. Their strengths can mask their challenges and their challenges can mask their strengths. Today we talk with Callie Turk, a parent of a 2e child and Dr. Vivien Keil, neuropsychologist, about the journey of understanding and parenting these unique and extraordinary kids.

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Callie Turk

Callie Turk


Co-Founder of REEL

Callie Turk is a client of the Children’s Health Council (CHC). who provided pivotal support to her twice-exceptional daughter. Callie Turk co-founded REEL (Resilience and Engagement for Every Learner), an advocacy group supporting twice-exceptional learners by building bridges between their parents and educators in Silicon Valley. In this work, she draws on her 15-plus year career working with ed tech companies and school districts at the cutting edge of educator professional learning. Callie received her MBA from Stanford University and BS from Miami University (Ohio). She is also a doctoral student with the Bridges Graduate School of Cognitive Diversity in Education. She can be reached at callie@reelpaloalto.org.

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Vivien Keil, PhD


Licensed Neuropsychologist at CHC

Dr. Keil is a Pediatric Neuropsychologist and Consultant at CHC in Palo Alto. She specializes in the developmental evaluation of young children and neuropsychological evaluation of children and adolescents. Her goal as a clinician is to understand the whole child as she strives to balance the clinical perspective with a strengths-based approach. She is passionate about working collaboratively with parents to help them understand their child’s strengths and weaknesses so that they feel empowered to advocate for their child’s unique learning and mental health needs.

Dr. Keil has nearly 20 years of experience working with children and families. She completed her predoctoral clinical internship at Children’s Hospital of Orange County (CHOC) and her postdoctoral fellowship at the UCLA Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior. Following licensure, she worked at The Neurobehavioral Clinical and Counseling Center in Orange County with a focus on conducting comprehensive psychoeducational and neuropsychological evaluations on children and adolescents with both mental health and medical diagnoses. In addition, she was a supervising psychologist in the Department of Outpatient Psychiatry at Rady Children’s Hospital, San Diego, where she focused on providing evaluations and psychotherapy to diverse and underserved populations.

Dr. Keil earned her Bachelor’s of Science degree in Cognitive Neuroscience from Brown University, graduating Magna Cum Laude. She earned her PhD in Clinical Psychology from the University of California, San Diego.

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